Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Tipping questions

Is it conventional in Paris to tip 20% to cabbies, waiters, etc?





I guess what I%26#39;m asking is if we should just follow American guidelines on tipping in Paris.




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Definitely not, be aware almost always the tip is included in the check. Usually the check will read at the end %26quot;servis



compris%26quot;,meaning that the tip is included,if not sure you can always ask. At your discretion you can leave a couple euros extra if your very pleased with the service.



Tipping taxi drivers and bellboys its customary, how much?, again



is more or less at your discretion some people will leave the change to next euro others will leave 10% of the metered amount, I personally give the 10%.



Bellboys I will usually give more or less 1 euro/per piece of luggage and maybe one extra euro.




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%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;Is it conventional in Paris to tip 20% to cabbies, waiters, etc? I guess what I%26#39;m asking is if we should just follow American guidelines on tipping in Paris.%26lt;%26lt;%26lt;





You can certainly do this...and I suspect that it will please Parisian waiters and cab drivers....but it will definitely fall under the general category of %26#39;..over-tipping..%26#39;. By law, all French restaurants, bistrots, cafés already ADD 15% to the bill (one way or another) for service. So Tipping a waiter 20% over and above the amount of the check would be effectively leaving a tip of somewhere in the neighborhood of 38%.





NO tip for the driver is a included in a taxi fare. The conventional wisdom is to tip anywhere from 1 or 2 €uro to 10% of the METERED fare amount (not necessarily the full amount of the total fare including extra passenger or luggage surcharges). But of course you may tip ANY amount, as suits your own personal custom and practice.





There are a couple of other small points that you should also be aware of. At most cafés there is a %26#39;..sliding price scale..%26#39;. You will pay one price for something served standing at the bar; a slightly higher price for the same something served sitiing at an inside table; and a still higher price for the same something served at an outside table. This is common practice. With regards to taxi fares, there is one metered rate charged during the day and a higher metered rate charged at night. It is entirely possible to travel between the same two points in the late afternoon and pay one fare and return along the exact same route in the evening and pay approx 40% MORE for the exact same ride. This isn%26#39;t a %26#39;..tourist rip-off..%26#39; simply a function of the official Parisian taxe fare structure.




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Note that there is no separate line-item on a restaurant bill for a %26#39;service charge%26#39; or tip. The 15% is built into the pricing... so if you have a meal and the check comes to 47€, you can pay that and leave satisfied... if you really liked the service, you could %26#39;round up%26#39; and leave 3 euro in the plate. It%26#39;s best to leave the %26#39;extra%26#39; tip in cash when paying by credit card.




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Fascinating. Thanks everyone.




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If happy with the service I usually tip about 1 euro per person at restaurants. Thats at an everyday restaurant, not some michelin star palace.

Interesting dinner experience at Spoon by Alain Ducasse

Wanted to share my experience at Spoon, a restaurant owned by Alain Ducasse the famous Chef, located near the Champs Elysées. This is the temple of what one can call New Fusion Cuisine.



We were 9, to celebrate a birthday. They prepared a nice table for us and they welcomed us warmly. (usually groups are not always welcomed in fancy restaurants).



We had a terrific glass of Deutz Champagne and it was served with a raddish soup in tiny vodka glasses and small dices of raw cod and herbs inside.



The menu was very original because for each category (starter, main dish and dessert) you choose the main ingredient, then in a list of different sauces then in a list of different vegetables. You can zig zag between the different columns, that%26#39;s fun.



As a starter I had a feef fillet gravelax with lemon mustard condiment. When I saw the plate I was a little disappointed because the fillet was cut in 5 or 6 very small pieces the size of a 2 euros coin. The sauce was also in a tiny vodka glass. But it was really very good and tasty. According to my husband, the hand-made pasta with pistou and marinated poultry was awesome. And the portion was quite big.



Then I had a pan seared tuna with satay sauce and wok sauteed vegetables. Soooo good!! My mother had the lobster, it was incredibly big, lots of flesh and truly excellent.





The wine was an incredible red bourgogne (a santenay). Really delicious. I was a bit drunk at the end of the meal.





Then the dessert : we all chose the top 5 (a selection of 5 desserts). Oh my God, if we had known we would have taken one per couple ! A delicious cheesecake that melts in your mouth, then a chocolate pizza, a chocolate and chestnut cake with orange sauce, a fudgy chocolate cake and I don%26#39;t remember the last one.



They offered to us 2 scoops of bubble gum and tagada (a famous strawberry candy) ice creams just to taste them. Reminded me of when I was 10.



For the birthday, they came with a giant meringue with a candle on top. And we had a giant meringue for each one of us!!



Just before leaving, they brought for each couple, a paper bag with home made cookies inside to take away.



We were absolutely full!!!





Truly a great experience, very good food, very nice staff. Pricey of course (200 euros per couple with champagne and wine) but worth it. And I had the opportunity to see a famous French singer for real, Marc Lavoine (youpi !) with his beautiful wife (yikes !).




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sounds wonderful! Spoon was recommended to me on my last trip, and I was sorry I didn%26#39;t get there....now I%26#39;m even more sorry I have only one day in Paris, Saturday.




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My wife and I and two of our friends had a similarily fun experience at Spoon a few years back.





Now that you mention them, I remember the meringues and the cookies. It sounds like they are still getting it right.




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Anneparis, makes me hungry just to read your post. Ever thought of becoming a food writer for one of the French/Parisian newspapers ?




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How easy was it to make a reservation and how far in advance should we try to do so?


Thanks




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We were very lucky and made the reservation one day in advance. But if you don%26#39;t want to take any risk you can reserve one or two weeks in advance.



By the way, the web address is : www.spoon.tm.fr




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yum




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Is this restaurant related to %26quot;spoon food and wine%26quot;?





Les




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Les,



Yes, it is actually %26quot;Spoon food and wine%26quot;.



And I forgot to say 2 important things :



the restaurant is quite small and there is a large window in a wall that allows us to see the kitchen. I love to watch the Chef and his helpers preparing the meals, and the kitchen was incredibly clean.



2nd very important thing : this restaurant is entirely NON SMOKING.




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Marc Lavoine, quelle chance!!!!!!!!And the food too, of course, but Marc Lavoine!!




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LOL Raphy, and I can tell you he looks really terrific. I had seen him on stage 2 years ago, but there I could almost touch him !



Well, maybe in another life...

Monmarte seems like the perfect place to live while in...

does anyone have any good recommendations for Apartment rentals in Monmarte? :)




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Be very careful.... there are some stinker apartments, especially if you think the price is a deal...





tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g187147-i14-k26039…




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Absolutely! www.perfectlyparis.com specializes in Montmartre. My husband and I have rented 2 of the 19 apartments listed, Villa des Platanes in 2003 and Prestigious Junot just last month (would have gone back to the VDP, but it was booked already.) Manager, Gail Boisclair is terrific to deal with before and during your trip. And you are right, Montmartre IS the perfect place to live while in Paris. Bon voyage.




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Sorry but don%26#39;t think Montmartre is great to live. The very top of the hill is very picturesque but can get noisy as very touristy, and far away from the metro so not very practical to move around Paris, not so convenient to carry food suplies all the way up to your appartment. Don%26#39;t get me wrong, Montmartre is an absolute delight to visit one half-day but personnally i wouldn%26#39;t live there. Some places at the bottom of the hill can get seedy at night so it depends on the location.




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We%26#39;re fans of Montmartre, mainly because we love the un-burnished Paris and we like to be around kids/families/neighborhood life. We%26#39;ve lived in apart-hotels for as long as 2 months there and we%26#39;ve grown to love the place. It can be noisy, somewhat chaotic (to the American eye), and less-than-model-Frommers (from a tourist%26#39;s eye). The Amelie-craze has begun to wear-off so the quarter is almost normal again.





The crusty parts are around Square Willette at the base of the park in front of Sacre Coeur, Blvd Clichy and Blvd de Rochechouart. Even one block away from them consists mostly of family-centric neighborhoods.





If you concentrate on the area between metro La Fourche (the Cimetiere de Montmartre), Metro Jules Joffrin (Mairie de XVIIIeme), and the Sacre Coeur, you%26#39;ll be in an area that is very much %26quot;old Paris%26quot;. It%26#39;s not a polished tourist destination. If that works for you, then you%26#39;ll probably grow to love Montmartre.




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I would not stay in Monmarte! I do not feel comfortable walking in the evening there or at one or two of the Metros there.





There are too many better areas in the 5Er, 6Er and the 7Er (are my favorite also up in the 13 Er by Place d%26#39; Italie) . Most of the apartment rentals do not have lifts. You can shop at the cheap grocery there called %26quot;Ed%26#39;s%26quot;.




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I love the area - one of my favorite places in Paris. Some areas are noisy, and if you’re only experience is the Moulin Rouge and the s e x shops I can see why you might not like it (but I still don%26#39;t find it scary). There are many, many streets full of pretty shops, lovely homes, and fantastic cafes that are perfectly charming.





And I love all the stairs! My legs look fantastic after just a week in the area - I love all the running around. I’ve had good experiences going to bars and meeting new friends there – on my last trip I meet a really nice guy (and Englishman working in Paris) who had a terrific apartment way up on the hill – I got the impression it was all very trendy based on the people I meet and the places I shopped and ate at. If I were to move to Paris I would want to live there too – but, given how it is very block to block – I would want to see any apartment first.






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Look for rue Lamarck, rue Caulaincourt, rue Custine etc. on the other side of the %26quot;mont%26quot;. It is more residential and very pleasant.



It has fewer metros than other areas of Paris but if you are on line 12, you are all set.



I love it there... even though I live elsewhere.




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One of my very best friends lives near the Abbesses metro stop. I go to his place almost daily when I%26#39;m visiting Paris. It%26#39;s a really great neighborhood, but for visiting the city it is a bit out there. If you%26#39;re tired at the end of the day, you will have a long metro ride home and then probably will have many stairs to climb to get to your apartment.





I agree that I would visit there but not stay there.





Les




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Any thoughts on the streets around St. Pierre and rue de Steinkerque? Would you feel comfortable using the Mo: Anvers during the daytime and early evening. :Probably not out later than 9:00 p.m? Found a nice apartment there that suits my needs from a reputable rental group.




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Ilovegardening, i would feel comfortable about using the Anvers metro during the day but THERE ARE pickpockets inside and around that metro station. Also i do not like it at night. Also the Line 2 for Anvers is not practical, better use the Abbesses metro station for line 12 that will take you to the center. Line 2 oblige you to change to go to the center.

Flea / Food Markets

I%26#39;d like to visit flea markets in Paris. Any suggestions? Where is a good place to pick up picnic food?




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There%26#39;s the marche aux puces in the 20th, but it%26#39;s quite a ways out, and you aren%26#39;t staying long so you might not want to spend a lot of time there...





There are outdoor food markets in just about every neighborhood. Where are you staying?





Les




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I think the best one, hands down, is Vanves. It is only on week-end mornings, everyone shutting down by lunch time. It is reached by metro, and is near the Porte de Vanves metro stop. It is, by the way, mostly professionals, not a flea market in the way Americans think of them, but you can still find some good buys. Keep your eyes open for %26quot;vide greniers%26quot; signs in various neighborhoods for real flea markets which are also only on week-ends.




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Another vote for Porte de Vanves.




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Food - you could do worse than a quick wander round your nearest supermarket. Franprix, G20 - you can pick up paté, rillettes, slices of ham, cheeses, fruit ... if you want to speak to someone then Monoprix will have all of the above but alos a Deli counter.





%26quot;Traiteur%26quot; offer a variety of %26#39;ready to eat%26#39; food as well but the cost can mount fairly quickly as you get carried away.





Then of course there are food markets throughout the city (every morning except Monday). Ask at your hotel to find out when / where your nearest is.




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I agree with the responses above, but which market is right for you really depends on what you%26#39;re looking for. St-Ouen is definitely high-end antiques with the occasional bargain, while Vanves is more collectibles with the occasional treasure. I go both St-Ouen and Vanves everytime I%26#39;m in Paris, and I always buy in both markets. If you use the search function for %26quot;puces%26quot;, you will find a rather lengthy guide to the flea markets that I wrote a few months ago.





CeeJay and lpennin, please drop me an email at truffaut6@wanadoo.fr. I%26#39;d like to talk to you about somthing %26quot;off-line.%26quot;

Very Discouraged... with trying to find a hotel...

Hi all.. I have spent numerous hours looking for a hotel in teh Saint Germaine area between 75-120 euros. I finally fell in love with St Thomas Daquin so I booked it and thought okay now only 4 more cities to book hotels.. Then they wrote back and said... sorry we are booked. I checked for availability on their website and it said it had rooms available.





Any other suggestions... I want to be near St Germaine street. Walking distance... I am ready to give up!!!




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I havent stayed here but have read good things about it on TA:





http://www.hotel-paris-familia.com/





Its very close to Blvd St Germaine.




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www.hotel-lalouisiane.net/index_eng.html



This hotel is on Rue de Seine. Very nice location in St. Germaine de Pres




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Thank you guys soo much... I am sure you can imagine how important it is to have the most wonderful exoerience in paris. Especially since I am going with my love and it is my first time...I will check the hotels suggested and let you know....



Thanks again.




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I second MorganB, I stayed in Familia Hotel about a year ago, super nice location, rooms are ok in size towards the small size but for the price that%26#39;s usually the best you can manage. I wouldn%26#39;t take the breakfast rate, though.




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When is your trip?





Les




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the 26th-30th... Maybe I shouldnt worry so much.. I need a break lol...




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Lisa,



Last week I had a nice couple from Texas at my cooking class and they were staying at Hotel des Mines, close to Luxembourg metro station, that means not far from Bd Saint Michel and Bd Saint Germain. It is a 2 star hotel, you should give a try.



www.hotel-desmines-paris.com/english/main.htm




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I just returned from a stay at the Hotel Rive Gauche. It wasn%26#39;t fancy but clean and comfortable. The location was unbeatable--2 blocks from St. Germain, one block from the Seine and the Louvre, several RER and metro stops within a short distance, plenty of cafes close by and lots of shopping. www.hotelrivegauche.com



Good luck!




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I%26quot;d keep trying. I do know that it%26#39;s hard to get a room in September and October because of numerous %26quot;salons%26quot; occurring at the time. You may have to up your pricerange???





Have you tried the Galileo Hotel near the Champs Elysees? www.galileohotel.com



It%26#39;s a really nice place and not very pricey...





Les

Best way from Rue Cler neighborhood to De Gaulle airport?

We are travelling to Paris next month and are curious as to the best way to get from the Rue Cler neighborhood to De Gaulle. I assume the subway/train would be best, but thought I should ask. Thanks, in advance for your assistance.






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%26quot;Best%26quot; means: cheaper, faster, more comfortable ????





Taxis could be more convenient... specially with luggage.




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Good question. I want the least expensive, relatively convenient option (i.e. less than a two hour journey). We have minimal luggage. Thanks. - John




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I have taken taxis from CDG into the 5th and



6th and back to CDG. For me that is the best



way.



I am noit lugging suitcases, dealing with



stairs, crowded RER or Metro.





Yes, a taxi is more expensive.





What%26#39;s the price tag on missing your flight ?





This is based on 5 trips to Paris, the 5th



one last month.




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%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;I want the least expensive, relatively convenient option (i.e. less than a two hour journey). We have minimal luggage%26lt;%26lt;%26lt;





Provided you have no personal mobility issues, then the RER %26#39;B-3%26#39; train from one of the two stations at CDG to SAINT MICHEL Notre Dame (one way fare 8 €...approx. 30 mins.) then either swtich to a RER %26#39;C%26#39; ligne trian to either INVALIDES or PONT de l%26#39;ALMA and then walk the several blocks to your hotel or take a taxi. If taxi is your prefered option then though it may cost an extra couple of €uro, you may be better off skipping the onward RER%26#39;C%26#39; train and simply taking the escalators up from the train platforms to street level at the Saint Michel-Notre Dame and taking a cab from the regular taxi stand there (appros. 6-7 €) to your hotel.





Though I%26#39;m a big fan of the RER %26#39;B%26#39; train FROM CDG; for some reason, it doesn%26#39;t seem to %26#39;work%26#39; as well for us returning TO CDG. For this we have our hotel contact an airport shuttle van service the day before and make arrangements for a shuttle pick-up at our hotel.




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Thanks for the excellent advice. Do you have any idea how much it costs roughly for a shuttle service or taxi to the airport?




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It should be around E40-50 for a taxi from rue Cler



to CDG.




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%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;Do you have any idea how much it costs roughly for a shuttle service or taxi to the airport?%26lt;%26lt;%26lt;





A TAXI PARISIEN from the regular rank outside of your CDG arrival terminal building will run 40-50 €uro. One of the airport shuttle van services will run somewhere between 15-23 €uro (depending on whether a round-trip or one-way reservation and the number of persons in your party.





So that you won%26#39;t think it an %26quot;..annoyed..%26#39; response to an oft repeated and responded to question( that some dam fools think should be ignored rather than offer a lead to a wealth of information)...this is one of those times when you should use the SEARCH feature of this forum to gather all (and more) information on the various modes of airport transfer (what they are, how they work, what they cost, pros vs cons, authoratative resources, etc). Use %26#39;,,CDG to PARIS..%26quot; or %26#39;..AIRPORT TRANSFERS..%26#39; as your search criteria. Do this and you will be as prepared as any can be to deal with the matter and any contingencies which might arise.

Hotel du Loiret - in the Marias

Has anyone stayed at the Hotel du Loiret, a small hotel in the Marais at 8 rue des Mauvais Garçons. I can not find a trip advisor review on it - but on several other sites there is mention of the hotel - saying it is cheap, clean and basic. Does anyone have any specific knowledge??




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Hotel LE Loiret:





tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g187147-d236574…




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Travelnutty - the link you gave is to a differant hotel at a differant address. I am looking for info on Hotel du Loiret, a small hotel in the Marais at 8 rue des Mauvais Garçons.




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My bad - I%26#39;ll try harder !




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www.jack-travel.com has descriptive information:



Grand Hotel du Loiret



8 rue des Mauvais Garcons



tel 0148877700



%26quot;...Small but tall, situated across the street from the Hotel de Ville in the center of the Marais, it calls itself %26#39;grand%26#39; but something of an overstatement as this modest hotel is in the aptly named street of naughty boys. Small rooms, but those on the 5th and 6th floors have been renovated. All the renovated with telephone, TV, and windows to the street. The prices are low because the hotel doesn%26#39;t have an elevator. This small fact (it may not seem so trivial when you%26#39;re lugging your bags up six flights of stairs) keeps the rates down and keeps the cheapos coming. its seven floors provide only 28 rooms. The seventh floor rewards the climbers with romantic sloped ceilings and amazing views out to the Hotel de Ville and central Paris. Book well in advance, as the rooms go fast. Prices 35 Eur for a single, 40 for a double and 75 Euros for a triple...%26quot;





Rick Steves says:



%26quot;Grand Hôtel du Loiret** is centrally-located, spartan, and basic, though the rooms are better than you might think...%26quot;





…cityvox.com/hotels_paris/…Profil-Place



- - has comments but all in French or Italian...from what I can make out, they%26#39;re favorable.




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In le Marais, there is also another cheap hotel where I stayed called Hotel du Marais, 2 star hotel with very good rates! Very clean, nice staff, well-located because there are bus connections and a metro stop nearby!



http://www.paris-hotel-marais.com



Have a nice trip!




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Just came back from Paris and I stayed at Hotel Loiret. Yes it was hard to find a review, because the reviews for both hotels of the same name were lumped in together. (The other Loiret is on rue Bons Enfants closer to Palais Royal).



I would recommend this hotel. Since the review listed, they have completed their rennovations and now have an elevator. It goes up to the sixth floor, so you would have to walk up one floor if you are on seven.



The rooms are nice and the ones with bath have new bathrooms (but they are VERY tiny!). My friend stayed in a room with bath for 60 euros/night. I chose a bath down the hall for 45 euros/night. It was fine sharing the bathroom. I never had a problem getting in. My room was one down from it and there was a timed light switch right outside my door so attending to business even at night was no problem. My room did have a small separate tiled area that had a sink.



The view from my friends room was just of the street and the other building but from my room I could see Notre Dame, Hotel de Ville and the Pompedu Centre. I LOVED it! I would sit on my tiny balcony at night and just listen and watch the people go by.



This is a great area to stay in. You are just steps from the metro, great restaurants and super shopping.



If you haven%26#39;t gone on your trip yet, consider this hotel.


PS. I%26#39;m from Canada too.

ETap porte De Orleans

I ll be in Paris with my wife for 4 days in November. Arriving at CDG adn leaving from ORLY to Venice.



I have chosen ETap Porte de orleans as it appears I can take teh RE B line to Denfert Rocherue and then on wards by Taxi




On the way Back I can take a Taxi directly to ORLY.



Is this an OK Plan



plus i Have heard that the area is a little shady, is it treu, How far from teh port orleans metro is ETAP



Kindly help




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If you%26#39;re planning to use the RER %26#39;B%26#39; ligne transfer to ORLY, then you might just as well continue past Denfret-Rocherou to ANTHONY and take the ORLYVAL shuttle bus (included in the 9,05 € RER fare) the rest of the way to your ORLY departure terminal.





RER%26#39;B%26#39;/ORLYVAL--



aeroportsdeparis.fr/ADP/en-GB/Passagers/Acce…





RATP--



parisvisite.com/en/Transports_Aeroports_orly…





As for the location of the ETAP-Porte d%26#39;Orleans Hôtel, have you consulted the LOCATION map provided on the hote%26#39;s web site? at--



etaphotel.com/etaphotel/…fiche_hotel.shtml





The hotel is only technically located in %26#39;..Paris..%26#39;, and is hard up against the outside of the Périphérique. I%26#39;m not sure that the neighborhood is so much %26#39;..seedy..%26#39; as simply highly %26#39;..commercial..%26#39;....and relatively %26#39;..abandoned..%26#39; at night after the local businesses/offices close for the day.




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Thank you for the detailed reply.





My other option is Bercy then (ETAP again). I have also checked some Shuttle services which come to 17Euro per person. not too much of a premium for landing at the hotel doorstep i suppose.





Any idea about Bercy Locality and Accessibility.







Regards




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Pharock, Bercy is definitely nicer, at least it%26#39;s in town and well connected by two metro lines. That said, hotels have a tendency to glorify themselves with certain neighborhood names when actually they are only on the edge of it. Could you please give us the actual address of the hotel, so that we can check?




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Etap hotels are clean and very cheap, but never %26quot;central located%26quot;.


Both hotelsare situated on %26quot;peripherique%26quot; (Paris ring highway), with a lot of motorways, industries...


Etap Bercy is near a big mall, %26quot;Bercy 2%26quot;, useful for millions of parisians, but no a touristic destination...


Perhaps you can find other hotels near the touristic points with better transport connexions, saving the money of taxis.




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Your plan to use RER-B is a good one, and you can get closer to Orly using RER-B, or you can take the Orly bus that drops off/picks up at Denfert Rochereau.





While the ETAP is on the peripherique, which would be very busy traffic and not %26#39;scenic%26#39; Paris, you could instead stay in a hotel just north of the area and have a lovely neighborhood experience (with all the same conveniences in your transportation plans).





Here are some suggestions:





%26lt;%26gt; Hotel Jardins d%26#39; Alesia 55-75 €



http://www.alesia-paris-hotel.com/





%26lt;%26gt; Hotel Blois 53-57 € (w/ shower %26amp; toilet)



http://www.hoteldeblois.com/




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%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;My other option is Bercy then (ETAP again). I have also checked some Shuttle services which come to 17Euro per person. not too much of a premium for landing at the hotel doorstep i suppose. Any idea about Bercy Locality and Accessibility.%26lt;%26lt;%26lt;





Is there some particular reason you are selecting hotels beyond the fringes of Paris? Either of your choices are good IF you main priority is a hotel with quick and easy access to the Périphérique or easy tour bus parking. The ETAP Porte de Bercy would probably be a good choice if you were driving to Paris overnight on business, for a conference or coming for a concert or sproting event. There is Metro service out here




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thank you all for the guidance





Based on your inputs I have looked for some new places. Hotel Jardin D alesia looks fine. But i have found one hotel Du Lion close to denfert.





any Idea about this hotel. The website shows that its is very close to the Denfert RER station and OrlyBUS departure point. is it really that close.





Do i need a taxi from RER station to this place, considering I have a single large trolley bag.





Hotel Du Lion 1, avenue du Gal-Leclerc - place Denfert Rochereau - 75014 Paris




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%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;Do i need a taxi from RER station to this place, considering I have a single large trolley bag. Hotel Du Lion 1, avenue du Gal-Leclerc - place Denfert Rochereau - 75014 Paris%26lt;%26lt;%26lt;





NO..the hotel--- http://hotel-lion.com/ --will be located just on the other side of the Place Denfret-Rochereau from the RER exit--- http://www5.mappy.com/sidZLpuiZ/NqN7Mn21w/Z?





It might be useful for planning purposes if you went out and bought yourself a good Paris strretmap to assist you with finding the relative locations of places that interest you. You might also acquaint yourself with the mapping functions of the PagesJaunes web site-- http://www.pagesjaunes.fr/pj.cgi?lang=en




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I omitted mentioning Hotel du Lion because the room rate was more like 80+ euro and I was thinking you might have chosed Etap due to budget constraint. Do be aware that the reception in Hotel du Lion is up a flight of stairs. You can ask them if they have an elevator from the ground floor, but I didn%26#39;t think so. (I went in just to ask for a brochure). Also, the hotel is situated over a brasserie and overlooking a busy traffic circle so might be noisy. The Jardins d%26#39;Alesia in on a bit more quiet street - I haven%26#39;t seen the rooms in either of these, just what you see online or in a brochure.





Tripadv. doesn%26#39;t have any comments about Hotel du Lion, and you have to look for the comments about J. d%26#39;Alesia:



tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g187147-d1…





There is yet another hotel, facing the RER, called Hotel du Midi. It was supposedly upgraded within the past couple of years, and seems nice (again, I%26#39;ve only been in the lobby).



http://www.midi-hotel-paris.com { 88-108€ }

Hotels in Amboise

We will arrive by train from Paris and do not have a car. Can you recommend a hotel within walking distance of the train station? Can we find local transportation to the Loire Valley sites? We will only be there 3 nights, 4 days, in September.




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I was wondering if you ever got your questions answered? I%26#39;m making the same trip in Sept this year.



John San Francisco




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I just got back from Amboise and can tell you that most, if not all of the hotels are within walking distance of the train station. It is a very small town! Of course, this depends on what you consider to be walking distance, the amount of baggage, etc... The train station is located on the other side of the river from Amboise and is about 1/2 mile from the castle. The closest hotel across the river would be Les Minimes as it is directly across the bridge. We stayed at Le Clois d%26#39;Amboise (loved it) and it is about five minutes farther into town. There is a rental car office located near the information center in town and they were charging 87 Euro per day for a small car. I would highly recommend renting a car during your stay. Driving was relatively easy and the trains do not go to the Chateaux%26#39;s. The Chateaux%26#39;s in the region are a must see and although I saw a few tour busses in the parking areas of the Chateaux%26#39;s, I never saw one in Amboise. In fact, I%26#39;m not sure it would be possible. The streets are horse and carriage width, if you can imagine. When renting a car be sure to get a good map. The streets can be a bit tricky, but the signage along the roadway is excellent....especially outside of the city. I hope this helped!





DWD




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Thanks so much for the response. As a matter of fact , we are staying at the same hotel. It%26#39;s good to know the rental cars are nearby. Do you know how long it takes to drive to Mont St Michel? Thanks again. jschaver@uwba.org




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Sorry, I don%26#39;t know how long that would take. We drove from Paris to Amboise and it took about three hours. Check out viamichelin.com. It should tell you about how long it will take. Also, I highly recommend buying a Michelin map before departure at your local book store. If not, they are available at local gas stations throughout France for 7 Euro.




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I%26#39;ve just returned from 5 days in the Loire Valley and am curious to know how your plans worked out. I rented a car at CDG Airport in Paris and drove first to Orleans and then on to Amboise. It has to be just about the most beautiful town on earth, located in the most beautiful country on earth! Good luck, and enjoy your stay.




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I plan to either drive or take a train from Amboise/Tours area to Caen, Normandy. Any suggestions as to which is the better/fastest/most scenic mode of transportation?

Vegetarian's in France. What to look for on menus?

Hi,





I am a vegetarian but i eat fish sometimes as well. What are the quintesential vegetarian dishes (no fish) should I be looking for. I really want to look out for the special vegetable dishes that one wouldnt want to miss when visiting France. although I am sure they arent big on vegetarian dishes, they must have some signature things like eggplant or artichoke dishes.





My Husband is a meat eater so we will be dinning at regular (non vegetarian restaurants) and i would LOVE to know what to look for.





thank you



-Christina




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Vegetarian dishes are really not easy to find in regular restaurants. Part of the problem will be that even seemingly vegetarian items (eg, onion soup) will be made with a beef stock. Pommes boulanger (basically, scalloped potatoes)will be made with chicken stock. If you can stretch to fish, you will have enormous selections available nearly everywhere. You will probably love the falafel at L%26#39;As du Falafel on rue des Rosiers in the Marais.




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Truffaut, curious to know whether French chefs steer clear of using flour when making soups. Reason I ask is because I think that flour tends to diminish the intrinsic value of most soups.




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I had a meatless lasagna at Cafe Tribeca in the 7eme that was outstanding. Cafe Roussillion, also in the 7th, had cheese pasta with a cheese and cream sauce that was very good. La Varangue restaurant, in the 7th (can you tell what area my hotel was in?) had a wonderful tart au legume (vegetables in a pastry). Mostly I had to resort to fish.




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I%26#39;m not vegetarian but look for more veg/less meat in general... have eaten good salad plates (maybe with tuna), that would include a %26#39;salade nicoise%26#39;, and I%26#39;ve had a mound of %26#39;haricots vert%26#39; (green beans) with my grilled fish.




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Hmmm, flour in soups.... I really hadn%26#39;t thought about it. Hopefully, AnneParis will see this post and weigh in.





Let%26#39;s see, for soup thickeners you could use flour, starch, arrowroot, cream, or potatoes. Certainly, the French use flour to thicken sauces with a basic roux. I suppose most cream soups could be thickened just by reducing the liquid after the cream is added. Alternately, you could remove a portion, puree it, then add it back into the pot as a thickener. This would work well with vegetable-based soups. Using flour shouldn%26#39;t hurt a soup, as long as the flour is adequately cooked and made into a roux or slurry before adding to the hot liquid. Many cooks don%26#39;t figure this out and that%26#39;s why they get a raw taste and lots of lumps in soups, gravies and sauces.




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Many thanks, Truffaut. Actually, I prefer the chefs who do not use flour in soups. I think flour can often be bad news not only from a texture perspective, but also from the point of view of tatse, in many soups.




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Christina, my dear, you are in the country that of all the world takes cheese very seriously. No restaurant waiter would be the least bit surprised at a request to create a cheese plate after or with your salad. (I prefer goat cheese with walnuts). My wife had an enormous starter at a bistro of warm goat cheese on grilled french bread with greens on the side. Extend your taste buds and enjoy!




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Hello Truffaut,



How are you ?



To answer your question, I have never seen someone thicken a soup with flour. Thickening a sauce with flour is another story and is very common.



To thicken a soup I personnally use potatoes or cream or both!!!




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Many thanks AnneParis for your insight into soup-making in France. Also a useful piece of knowledge for those with Coeliac disease (gluten/wheat intolerance) who would like to enjoy a tasty bowl of soup in France without worrying whether the addition of flour is going to cause an inflammation of their intestines !




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I am a vegetarian living in Paris. I often get stuck with a salad at %26quot;french%26quot; restaurants but I have been very lucky with Italian places. Also there are plenty of really good vegetarian restaurants (especiall in the 4th). My favorite is Picolo Teatro. You can do a search for vegetarian paris and see quite a few.



Since you eat fish there should really be no problem with finding something. Almost every menu has salmon of some sort. Also, I have had great luck calling ahead for a reservation and requesting a vegetarian menu. This is especially nice when going somewhere fancy and not wanting to get stuck with a salad while everyone else has multi course meals. Some of the better restaurants can do some amazing things without meat.

Do they still have the drummers/percussionists on the...

I remember going in 2003. Awesome musicians. They had one drumming group on one side, and another group on the other. And it looked like hundreds per side were gathered around. And this is with the Eiffel lighting up the background at night. Awesome.




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Haven%26#39;t heard anything recently, but maybe i%26#39;m deaf?




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that%26#39;s nothing official, it%26#39;s usually young locals who bring their drums, etc. and have a jam session....so it%26#39;s not something you can count on for any particular day or time...





I%26#39;ve been to the Trocadero a zillion times and sometimes there are drummers, sometimes there aren%26#39;t...





Les




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Was there a couple days ago and they had closed off the fountain area of the Troc for work and there were no musicians but there were a lot of skateboarders and a few breakdancers.



Some guys sitting in front of the Pompideau center were doing Hotel California reggae-style with guitars and amps.Then there is the guy always on the Metro Concourse connection doing Vivaldi with his tuba and boombox.




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Back in August they did, really weird. There is the Eiffel Tower all lit up looking fantastic and loads of people are more interested in looking at a bunch of *~%%26amp;*#s trying to play the drums and annoying everyone else!




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Sorry Paris-fanatic, but some of us are able to dance, enjoy music and look at the pretty lights.



It may shock you to learn that most of those drummers and their audience actually live here, so they maybe, well, less bowled over by the scenery than you imagine. If we all adjusted our lives to accommodate the expectations of tourists, well, then we would not have much of a life left.




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Oh come on! The night I was there the drummers etc were hardly showing any skills. I do realise that the drummers live in Paris (and good luck to them if they can get money out of gullible tourists) but my comment was about people who seem more enthralled by frankly bad musicians and dancers than one of the great sights of the world. It’s in the same class has visiting Paris and only going to MacDonalds for food and drink.




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Well, I go there with my girls. I don%26#39;t recall them having a hat out and asking for money. Just a bunch of young locals getting a beat on.



And it is not like the ET is high culture, requiring minutes of intense concentration. Great architecture, but it how long does it take to appreciate from a far? The true beauty is in the sensous curves and arabesques of the iron work, best seen across the river at the foot of the tower.




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These guys were not having a hat out!!!!! The cats that I saw in August 2003 were, as phread put it, just having a good time and just wanted to play.





This was one of my highlights of my trip in %26#39;03! I didn%26#39;t look for this, either. I came off the metro and just bumped into it that night.





In Brooklyn, we have a similar situation, where drummers congregate in Prospect Park every Sunday afternoon, gathering a crowd of dancers and watchers. But it%26#39;s nothing compared to what I saw in Paris. Peace





PS: To paris-fanatic: It seems like you are not a music lover. Correct?




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einnod23 - very much a music lover (of all types from J S Bach to King Crimson to Burundi Drummers) but the guys I saw were c*** and clearly on the make. Anyway, music lover or not my main complaint it where it takes place and how anyone can be more interested in them than the Trocadaro and the Eiffel Tower!




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Paris-fanatic:





I didn%26#39;t ignore the Tour Eiffel. To have these great players AND with the backdrop of the Tower, glittering at night by the way, was pure AWESOME. To each his own, though! Peace.

ice skating at Hotel De Ville

Hi,



My daughter and I loved ice skating last winter at the Hotel De Ville ice rink. I was wondering if anyone knows whether this will be set up again. I was concerned that the rink was directly related to Paris%26#39; bid for the Olympics and was afraid that the city might not offer the ice skating this year. Does anyone know if the skating is on for this winter? Specifically, mid-February.





Many thanks,



Annie B




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The ice skating rinks at Hotel de Ville and down near Tour Montparnasse are regularly scheduled winter activities and not at all related to the Olympic bid (though last year%26#39;s 1st etage Eiffel Tower rink may have been a %26#39;stunt%26#39;) So it should be down and frozen again beginning sometime in mid-December through the beginning of March (weather permitting).





The skating rink set up at the 1st level of the Eiffelk Tower last year from mid-December throgh late-January was a HUGE success...but I haven%26#39;t heard of any plans or dates for a repeat this coming winter.

October 2005 Roll Call

I know 5 months seems like a lifetime but is there anyone who is going to Paris the last week in October? Maybe we could meet for coffee, drinks or dinner.





We are leaving on October 22 and returning to Southern CA on October 29. Can not wait to go!




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Sorry can%26#39;t meet up we will be there the 1st week of October. Getting very excited, Only 4 months before I leave, (visting other places first).




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We are still searching for anyone on this forum who will be visiting Paris at the end of October. If you would like to get together will there please let us know!





Thanks,



JJ




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Oooh!





My boyfriend and I will be there the 19-24 of October!




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Hello


I shall be there October 23rd until the 28th and I was a 50th birthday girl this year too.I went to Las Vegas to celebrate



Laura




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Hello



I shall be in Paris from October 23rd until the 28th. I was also a 50th birthday girl this year.




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sorry for double poost




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My friend and I will be there Oct. 20 - 25th! First time in Paris, we leave for London Friday night! Can%26#39;t wait to leave. :)

Good Hotel for Kids

Hi all,



Just wondering what hotels (central) might be good for kids,also does anyone know where the playgrounds in Paris are..



Thanks...




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Before we lived here we would stay at the Hotel Lindbergh on the rue Chomel in the 7th. They have quad rooms, are VERY helpful and it is a charming little place.



Another popular TA address is the Hotel Chomel on the same street, although I have never stayed there myself.





This area is great because there are 4 parks within two blocks.



The Tuileries and Luxembourg Gardens are both within walking distance and you don%26#39;t even have to cross the street to choose between cafes.



There is lots to see/do near by but the street itself is dead at night, making for pleasant evenings.



Higher end, still nearby but on a busier street is the K + K Cayre Hotel.




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The finest place to be with kids (lovely for parents too !) is probably near the Luxembourg garden (a lot of playgrounds, puppet shows, little boats sailing on the pond...).



You can try Pension LADAGNOUS, rue d%26#39;Assas (just opposite the Luxembourg garden) which offers the possibility of adjoining rooms for families.



www.pensionladagnous.com




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Thank you both..I%26#39;ve sent a mail to teh Lindbergh and if that%26#39;s booked I%26#39;ll try the pension..





PS-I envy you living there!




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I have a suggestion. We are a family of six (mom, dad and four daughters ages 15, 13, 10 and 2) and just returned from Europe, beginning and ending in Paris. We rented an apartment from ParisPerfect.com and it was great! It was a two-bedroom with a fold out bed in the living room with an incredible view of the Eiffel Tower. There was a complete kitchen (with every appliance you could think of, including a washer/dryer combo!) and two complete bathrooms, one with a shower/tub combo and one with a shower...and two toilettes. It was heaven! After a long day sightseeing we could come back and cook our own dinner or bring something in and have some time to unwind and not have to be on top of each other in a hotel room! They have quite a few apartments in different price ranges, but I gather they are all as nice as ours was. I cannot recommend them enough...they even sent a packet of info about the area you stay in with restaurant recommendations and places to shop and playgrounds. It made our stay in Paris one of the highlights of our trip!



Let me know if you need more info.




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As suggested by previous poster debsunberg, check out the parisperfect.com web-site for paris apartments - they have the wow factor, in a great neighbourhood. May not be the cheapest option - but quality doesn%26#39;t often come cheap.




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Thanks for all the help...I%26#39;m disappointed to see that the Lindbergh and the other hotel mentione dhaven%26#39;t yet replied to my emails..is this normal to take so long?




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When booking in Europe I found that sometimes you had to send two or even three emails before they responded...you never know how hectic they are and what their staff is like in terms of who answers the emails. Just keep trying and mention (politely) that it is a second try and that you really would like to see if they have vacancies. A little sugar goes a long way!




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We stayed at the Citadines , located between the Opera Garnier %26amp; the Madeleine. Rooms are Ok, small kitchen,breakfast is to expensive, but if you walk 2 minutes, for the same price as bkfast , you can find the best patisserie in paris ( located bewteen Concorde %26amp; the Madeleine on the left side when comming from Concorde. Be there at 10.00 sharp ,if you come late, you%26#39;ll wait, unique patisserie ( napoleonic style ) best croissants in paris , really .

Out of Paris day trips

Hi,





Can anyone recommend (or not) the day trip out of Paris to Bruges (Brugge) Belgium with Paris Vision tours?(www.parisvision.com/fr/index.cfm…)





Its my second time in Paris and I%26#39;ll be there for a week so I don%26#39;t mind %26quot;giving up%26quot; a day in the city to go elsewhere.



Thanks.




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We took that tour in August and loved it! I only wish we had more time in Brugge. The bus ride isn%26#39;t too bad, and they stop off at one of those hiway cafeterias halfway through. I only mention that because I had an amazing sandwich there -- who would have guessed...



Anyway, Brugge is remarkable. The tour itself is just OK. It does include a little boat tour, which I would recommend, but after that walk quickly toward the Markt and enjoy lunch at one of the many cafes. You%26#39;ll then have time to walk the streets and enjoy a wonderfully preserved city.



Worth the time and money, definitely.




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Usually, as the bus ride is quite long (3h30 to 4 hours if i recall well), there is then approximately a one-hour walking tour to the center, they show you during the tour the meeting point (usually Notre Dame) where you will meet your guide after your free time. Then they also show you the boat company and give you the boat ticket (i think it is only in the summer monthes) and then you have free time for lunch etc...shopping... and then you meet up at 4pm approximately to go back to Paris. Brugge is beautiful, you can walk everywhere as it is reasonably small. I loved it!!




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Hi Filmgal and others,





I will be taking this same tour when I visit Paris at the end of the month. I%26#39;ll write my review on the tour when I return. Can%26#39;t wait!





Jeaninne




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Okay thanks...That sounds great. I think I%26#39;ll go ahead and book the tour!




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why dont you drive yourself out there ? Or take the fast train to brussels and drive to brugges %26amp; antwerpen , or sleep in belgium sea side ressort number 1 called %26quot;knokke le zoute%26quot; ?it%26#39;s what we call the %26quot; north coast%26quot;



the lanD scape is fascinating , flat , flat ..

To Debsunberg/anyone that can help:Re: car 12 volt...



I purchased a portable cooler that runs on the 12 volt cigarette lighter in one%26#39;s car. It also has all the items to use in a hotel room ( I just have to use converter and a plug.) for keeping my milk, mayo, cheese and eggs and meat cold.





When one rents a car in France don%26#39;t they have a 12 volt cigarette lighter?







What voltage do they have?





I did not know they even made a converter for the car! I looked on Radio Shack web site and did not see it. Anyone else bought one of those converters or is it still necessary.




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To clarify: It has the car adapter and also the plug adapter for the hotel room. I have used it in my hotel in Mexico and it worked fine. I bought it for use in France on a long trip.

Adapters & Converters... do I have the right ones?

Bonjour!



I went to radio shack today and picked up my adapters and converter. I was wondering if someone would take a look at the links and tell me if I have the right ones.



The last post/conversation had me a bit confused, so I tried to do it on my own...



I%26#39;d appreciate any help!



Merci!





This is my %26quot;Foreigh Travel Outlet Adapter...%26quot;



www.radioshack.com/product.asp…





and this is the %26quot;Dual Power Foreign Travel Voltage Converter...%26quot;



www.radioshack.com/product.asp…



I got this one since I can switch between 50W (for our digital camera battery, cell phone, etc.) and 1600W (for my curling iron, blow dryer, etc.)



How did I do?



Merci... again!




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Tigerlillie,



Thanks for going to Radio Shack and this post. I am also totally confused regarding converters and adapters.





I think you may have helped me figure out what I did wrong last year. Radio Shack sold me a converter which is exactly what you bought and is what I asked for. I was unable to use it as I did not have the adapter.





If I am reading all these posts correctly if the voltage on the appliance is between 120 and 240 only an adapter is needed.





I know I need to purchase an adapter but may not need the converter.







Merci




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Tigerlilie,





YOU GOT IT RIGHT !





There are 4 adapters. Looking at Radio Shack%26#39;s



photo, the one for France is the one on the bottom.





The converter is also correct. You will plug it



into the above adapter, plug your appliance



into the converter, set the converter and plug



it into the wall.




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Does the one(s) you have look like Type %26#39;..E..%26#39; and/or %26#39;..C..%26#39;. If so, then it%26#39;s the right one--





http://www.kropla.com/electric.htm#plugs




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Thank you guys for responding! Vanity takes over when vacationing in Paris, and a girl just simply can%26#39;t go without her curling iron! LOL =)





Merci beaucoup!




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Wait a tick.... The converter in the picture won%26#39;t fit in modern recessed french receptacles. They stopped making the flat (flush recepticles a long time ago. Does it come with an adaptor?




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Tigerlilie,





Have you checked the voltage of your hairdryer? Most hairdryers anymore seem to run on 1875w, which is too much for the converter to handle. You might want to check your curling iron, also, but it will probably be ok.





Debra




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Metromole: The first link I put on my post was for the adapter... Like Randy said, it%26#39;s the one on the bottom of the 4 adapters. This will work, right?





idtrvlr1975: Yes, my hairdryer is 1875W... but I plan on using the one in the hotel we are at... I checked, they have hairdryers in the room... BUT! My hairdryer has a switch down at the bottom of the handle that you can switch from 125V to 250V, so my question is... If I were to take my hairdryer with me, I would ONLY need the adapter, not the converter, since I can switch it over, non? Maybe I should go buy a curling iron that switches also...




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Do be careful with this stuff...I totally roasted my curling iron on my first tip to Paris in 1987 and spent the better part of my day in Giverny looking for a replacemnent (not what Monet had in mind when he settled there...ease of finding hair implements...).





You will most likely need an adaptor along with your converter...this makes it fit in the new recessed outlets anyway and won%26#39;t hurt even if not necessary. If your appliance says up to 240 watts you can use just the adaptor (the smaller of the two items, just two prongs), but it does not hurt to use the converter also. We did this at first with our video camera then realized we didn%26#39;t need the converter and no harm done. Since the converters are much more expensive than the adaptors, we just bought two converters and about 8 adaptors (for our daughters ipods, etc). We always seemed to have enough to keep everything charged (this was for a family of six, so smaller groups would need less).




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Tigerlilie,





Yes, you should only need the adaptor plug with your hairdryer switched to the higher voltage. I checked my curling irons and they were 170-200w, so should work fine with the converter switched to the higher voltage, plus an adaptor plug. My curling iron worked fine that way when I was last in Europe. You may want to consider purchasing an extra adaptor plug to use with the hairdryer, so that your curling iron can heat up while your drying your hair. One adaptor plug was a PITA, I found, lol.





Also, just to let you know, it is not advisable to %26quot;leave%26quot; appliances plugged in for extended periods, while using the converter/adapters. I%26#39;m not sure why. It was a tip I came across while researching this stuff. Basically, when your battery is charged, or your cell is charged, you should unplug it as soon as possible.





Debra




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I believe the reason you should not leave them plugged in is that the converters can get very hot, which can cause a fire hazard. Our rule was to let things charge overnight or during the day when we were around, but not to leave them plugged in when we were gone.





Another option if you are renting a car is something called a 12-volt converter for the car. It is a box that plugs into your cigarette lighter and has a reguluar US single outlet on it. You can then plug anything into it and it will charge while you drive (but not while the car is just parked). We used this a lot for the girls%26#39; gameboys and ipods during our long driving days and it worked wonders. I think we got ours at Radio Shack for about $50 several years ago and use it on all our driving trips, not just in Europe.

Where can I have black crepe in Paris?

I love crepes! I%26#39;m heading back to Paris in a few months. A friend took me once to have black crepe in a restaurant in Paris. I want to have it again but don%26#39;t know where to go?





Thanks in advance.




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It must be the crepe de sarrasin, any restaurant called %26quot;crêperie%26quot; in Montparnasse area (to the left when you have the station and tower in front of you) and the Sarrasin crêpe are the salted/main course ones.




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Raphy:



I thought the salty crepe (eg. with cheese etc..) was called a galette.... it is darker then the normal (sweet) crepe ... am I wrong on that ?




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To Sherif: Galette and Crêpe de sarrazin are almost synonyms




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They are actually totally synonymous, except that the %26quot;kosher%26quot; word is %26quot;galette%26quot;, made of sarrazin flour, whose colour is darker than the most common flour used in sweet crêpes. %26quot;Sarrazin%26quot; is an old French word that used to designate the Moors, ie the Arabs in the Middle Ages. Since they were darker skinned than French people, the non politically correct usage of the time quickly made %26quot;sarrazin%26quot; equivalent to %26quot;black%26quot;. You also find this in Cuba, where one of the national dishes is called %26quot;Moros y Cristianos%26quot;, because it mixes beans (dark= Moors) with rice (white = Christians).




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Raphy,



Is there a specific term for the brown crepes make from the buckwheat flour? I always think of these crepes as the more traditional Breton variety but I have never heard them refered to as sarazin or anything else




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I have always refered to them as crepe or galette de sarrazin, but i am not sure that it translates to buckwheat? You do find pancake mix in the supermarket to do Galettes de sarrazin, if it helps?




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More information: the crepe or galette de sarrasin (Brown crepe) is gluten-free




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Sherif, u seem like an expert on a lot of cities forums.



wats ur hotmail?



Rasha




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Rush2:





I am not an expert... just travelled a bit...





you can email me on advisor@skill-link.com

Tour Ideas?

We will be in Paris this Friday and Saturday and would like to see as much as possible. Can anyone suggest any tour companies so that I can order the tickets online?




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I think www.parisvision.com and www.bateaux-parisiens.com allow you to call and book ahead of time.




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my husband and i did fat tire bike tours...the day trip (which is 4 hours and includes lots of history) and the night tour (which is over 4 hours, with lots of sights, some history, a boat cruise, an dunlimited wine)...it was a great way to start our trip, get our bearings and see almost the entire city w/o our feet cramping! i think they have a website, and i know they can be found off the paris visitors website. they also do walking tours and segway tours!

Which hotel in Latin Quarter...

Hi,





I have it narrowed down to two hotels in the Latin Quarter, both pretty close to eachother, but I am having trouble deciding between the two since both are close in price and their reviews are pretty much the same, and both are recommended in a tour book (www.holidayhouse.ca):





Hotel Moderne St. Germain





or





Hotel California St. Germain







Is one nicer than the other, closer to cafes/restaurants/metro, better view, etc. It%26#39;s mostly going to be used just for sleeping...



If anyone can sway me in one direction or the other, it would be most helpful!



Thanks




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Well it makes no difference which you choose as far as location goes, because they are located on top of each other...same cafes, restaurants, etc. Rue des Ecoles is very central in the Latin Quarter. The Sorbonne is here.





The California has a bit better tripadvisor reviews....





Are they by the same owner??





Les




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There will be little difference in the relative quality of either hotel (they both have the SAME owner). Interior decor will be similar. As for their relative convenience, the two hotels are on opposite sides of the same street (rue des Ecoles---at rue des Carmes) approx 100 meters apart.If you want to get picky,the Moderne is on the south side of the street facing north and the California is on the north side facing south. The towers of Notre Dame will be a few blocks almost due north from either and rooms on the top floors of either may have views of them. Tha MAUBERT-MUTUALITÉ Metro station will be equidistant from either.





I suppose if I had to choose between the two, I would choose the Modern-Saint Germain and requst a room on the 5th floor/front, with a walk-out balcony and glimpses of Notre Dame.





GRAND HÔTEL MODERNE-SAINT GERMAIN--



http://www.hotel-paris-stgermain.com/





tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g187147-d197634…





HÔTEL CALIFORNIA SAINT GERMAIN--



http://www.california-paris-hotel.com/





tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g187147-d238380…




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Did you have a look at the hotels located on the island in the SEINE river . . Just behind Notre Dame. We stayed there and where very happy.




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Thanks for the input. I booked the Moderne after looking at their website and getting the 3 night package deal.

Marais or latin quarter for family trip

which would you recommend Marais (rue chapon) ( or rue pecquay)or Latin (rue line) for 9 day trip to paris with family. Want to include 2 days in eurodisney ( will probably commute from City as easier to get aprt for longer period)





advantages of





1.rue chapon - 2 bed apartment - seems fairly central area, safe neighbourhood, most expensive





2. rue pecquay - cheaper, smaller , okay for metro . Bit worried about area for family trip - picture looks a bit grey from outside !





3. rue line - nice apt. , small 1 bed, marginally cheaper than option 1 (no 1 my preferred choice at present but I have no idea as this is my first trip to Paris)





As i have left everything until the last minute I am trying to make it as hassle free - though it%26#39;s not proving easy - we are ravelling from Beauvais Airport on the Sat+ plan to go to city



%26amp; midweek visit to disney - possibly 2 days. Logistics of booking something in Disney, lack of availability etc...




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All of those are central locations and will be safe, and close to the metro.





Choose the best accomodations where you will all be comfortable (with the best sleeping arrangements). Make sure you are dealing with a reputable company and that someone will be available to introduce you to the workings of the apartment, and also will be available for any problems during your stay.

Please check my RATP/Musee et Monuments choices!

My 17 year old daughter and I will be visiting Paris November 18 (Friday)-22 (Tuesday). We%26#39;ll arrive at CDG at 10:00 am and plan on using the RER to reach our hotel in the Rue Cler area from the airport, on a day visit to Versailles and to return to CDG. (We%26#39;ll be travelling very light and cost is an issue.) Here%26#39;s what I%26#39;ve come up with so far:





Purchase two Zones 1-5 Paris Visite passes upon arrival at CDG. (Since our visit will cover a Friday-Tuesday I%26#39;m assuming the Carte Orange won%26#39;t work for us)





Purchase one Musee et Monuments pass for me. I%26#39;m hoping that my daughter will be allowed into the following sites free of charge: Louvre, D%26#39;Orsay, St. Chapelle, Arc de Triomphe, Notre Dame Tower and Versailles. I%26#39;m purchasing the pass for myself to avoid waiting in long lines (except for the Notre Dame Tower). Will my daughter also be able to use the pass entrance?





We also plan on visiting Monmatre and Sacre Cour and taking an evening Bateau Mouche cruise. I%26#39;m assuming that both of us will need to pay full fare for the cruise.





Does the above sound correct?





Thanks so much for all the help. This is my daughter%26#39;s first trip to Paris and we%26#39;re wildly excited!





Jennifer




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Your daughter should be admitted free to the Louvre, Orsay, and Versailles... not indicated on the websites for St Chapelle, the Arc de T, or the ND Towers so not sure what will happen.





The Paris Visite is a good plan, considering your travel plans and the days of the week. To buy those trips separately would be 95.9 Euro, so just buy the passes and enjoy the convenience too.





http://www.vedettesdupontneuf.com/va/



This cruise has an online discount you print ahead of time and bring with you (worth 2 euro off both passengers; fare is 10 euro before the discount)




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I may be wrong, but I thought the Carte M et M was your %26quot;ticket%26quot; and allows you to pass the ticket line only. If there are 2 of yo, I think you both need the museum passes.





-cris




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The Carte Musee pass allows you to bypass the ticket-buying lines, you head for the entrance and go thru any security that is set up. A minor accompanies the pass-holder and may be asked to show id to prove age is under 18. The museums I mentioned have specifically mentioned that children up to 18 get in for free (no pass or ticket needed).




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%26gt;%26gt;%26gt;I may be wrong, but I thought the Carte M et M was your %26quot;ticket%26quot; and allows you to pass the ticket line only. If there are 2 of yo, I think you both need the museum passes.%26lt;%26lt;%26lt;





Not entirely sure what you%26#39;re refering to but iif a %26#39;free admission%26#39; is accompanying a pass holder, the %26#39;free admission%26#39; may enter right along with them. If there is a security check-point ALL entrants MUST pass through this regardless.





For a 17 yr.old, it might not be a bad idea for her to carry a photo-copy of the Information page of her passport as sufficient proof of age.





You can SEARCH %26quot;..PARIS MUSEUM LINKS, AGE..%26quot; for under-18 free admissions.







D-day beaches from paris

Hi, going to Paris for the lst time in November with my two boys ages 11 and 14. One is a history buff and wants to visit the D-day beaches. The research we%26#39;ve done on this site and others says that it is about the same in cost to do either a day trip on a bus from Paris vs. the three of us taking the train to Bayeux and then doing a pick up tour once we get there. My question is whether anyone has taken any of the trips from Paris? If so, whieh one. Are the tour guides as well informed as those we will find in Normany. Were you satisfied with the tour. Thanks in advance for your help.




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This has been covered before, but a day trip does not do the beaches justice. We spend four days there and that was not enough time to visit all the historical sites and cemeteries. I know if you have come from the States this is not always possible.




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This has been covered before, but a day trip does not do the beaches justice. We spend four days there and that was not enough time to visit all the historical sites and cemeteries. I know if you have come from the States this is not always possible.




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Thanks for your input. I know that we will not be able to do it justice in a brief stopover. On the otherhand this may be a once in a lifetime trip and we do want to go for the day. Given that background, I%26#39;d still like to know if anyone has taken a day trip from Paris. If so, what tour company and how did you like it. thanks, Leslie




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Doing a one day tour will not do it justice but I agree that any trip might be a one time experience and you should get the most out of it. My question to you is; who are you booking your trip through. If you are an internet shopper that is one thing, but if you are booking through a reputable tour operator/travel agency then most if not all will be able to offer you a day trip to Normandy. It will take all the guess work out of it for you. Reputable travel agency only work with reputable tour operators. I would contact a reputable travel agency to help you with tours, metro passes, museum passes, transfers .. all the little things, that can be combined into one package. Even if you didn%26#39;t book the hotel with the travel agency many times they can put the little things together for you.




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Leslie, I%26#39;m going to book a day trip with Parisvision. I wish we had more time but we don%26#39;t. We taken other trips with them and enjoyed them all very much. the Guides were really good. It gets a little anoying if they have to translate into several languages, however, is still a nice stressfree way to get see places you might not otherwise get to. I%26#39;m planning to book on line before we go.




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As the previous poster suggested try



www.parisvision.com



or



http://www.pariserve.com/city/home.htm



I am going next september and plan on either booking through parisvision or just renting a car and drving at our own leisure and spending the night.




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The D day beaches were great to visit. The Caen Peace Memorial Museum is also wonderful. I do not know how long you have to visit but I would recommend that you take train or bus to Caen and see the museum. Then take a tour from there to Normandy.





We rented a car and did both within two days. Be aware of the closing hours of the Cemeteries. It is a very moving trip.




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I too am planning a visit to the beaches of Normandy, as my father was in the Omaha beach invasion. I thought about renting a car, but not having been to Europe before, I am wondering if I should just book a tour. I will only have one day to do this. So these two tour groups that were mentioned here are the best ones to book?? Thanks!




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Dear Starwatcher:





Prepare yourself, having a relative in the cemetery is so overwhelming! I did not think that I would be so emotional!





The cemetery is so beautiful. The US rents the cemetery property from France and they also do the upkeep.





The site makes one hope and pray for peace in the world.





I wish I could tell you more about the tours. We rented a car and did it in two days including the Tapestry of Bayeaux, the Caen Peace Museum, the beaches and towns and bunkers, and the cemeteries.





I think if you %26quot;dogpile%26quot; Bayeaux or Caen you can find more information about the tours. I asume you have already used search engines such as %26quot;Dogpile%26quot; and %26quot;google%26#39; and %26quot;ask Jeeves%26quot; for tours from Paris.




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ilovegardening,





I have just returned this afternoon



from my 5th trip to Paris.



If I were to repeat anything again,



it would be Normandy (I did it in



2002).





I took a ParisVision Tour. It was



a long day but it covered the landing



beaches, Arromonches and it%26#39;s museum,



the American Cemetery at Coleville and



the WWII Memorial Museum at Caen.





I felt the guide was knowledgeable



and I was pleased with the tour.

Peugeot buy-back program at Avignon TGV

Anyone have experience with Peugeot%26#39;s Buy-Back car rental at the TGV station in Avignon? (www.autoeurope.com) It seems like the best deal if you%26#39;re renting for a few weeks!



I looked at www.ideamerge.com and their rates are good, too. But they have limited hours in Avignon and not located near either train station (TGV or Centre).



Thanks!




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I used ideamerge when I did a buyback program a couple of years ago. Ideamerge is just Renault Eurodrive via a broker. I will say that the staff at ideamerge was EXCELLENT. Very very helpful and were able to arrange a last minute rental only a week before pickup! I was very happy with the program. Brand new car, had several traveling and we needed a Renault Grand Espace when the rental companies only had the plain Espace. We were also doing lots of driving so was good to have the unlimited miles.





Havent used Peugeots program but I am sure it is similar. By the way, autoeurope is a broker also. Here is the official Peugot buy back website:





http://www.peugeot-openeurope.com/




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Thanks MorganB! I also found that Hertz has good rates...for a month rental its even a few dollars less than the Peugeot buy-back. And they have better hours at the Avignon TGV. Looks like all three would be a safe bet.




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huntrw, keep in mind that buy back programs usually include unlimited milage and full insurance coverage. Hertz typically does not include full insurance coverage so you would have a daily fee added if you did want that insurance. I know credit cards will cover the insurance for it but it is nice to have the peace of mind that you can just hand the keys over even when there is an accident. Of course with Hertz you dont get to pick the exact car you will get but only the category. It really depends on what your needs are.





Have a great trip!




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the question is how many weeks...as I never took any of these buy-back program, I cannot say. I rent car in France about 3 times a year and this, since many many years and had never any problem. If you pick up your car at CDG, or Nce airport you, have a greater choice (from BMW diesel to VW) than in smaller towns or railroad station. A pick-up at TGV Avignon will not have a great choice. In these place the larger car they usually have are 407%26#39;s or a Laguna. Hertz lately has been a little cheaper than Avis. But if you do a lot of driving make sure you get a diesel one. They are excellent.



Good luck




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Be careful when you are renting a car not to get a car too big for the indoor parking at your hotel. I had the experience recently and I returned the car they had originally gladly upgraded me to (%26#39;cause I rent at least twice a year). Peugeot 407 is a real nice car but kinda large acording to plublic parkings standards.




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%26gt;%26gt; I also found that Hertz has good rates



I assume you have priced the Hertz rental with equivalent insurance coverage as buy-back.




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I would reinforce yymca6%26#39;s comment. Many French car parks are designed for very small cars. Getting into some of the underground parking in Nice would be absolutely impossible in a large car.




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Here is my two-cents on this...we just returned form a three-week trip to Europe and used the Peugeot buy-back program. We absolutely needed a large vehicle since we are a family of six (mom, dad and four daughters ages 15, 13, 10 and 2). Our only option was to go through the buyback program to guarantee that we would get a large enough vehicle for this gang! It worked out great! We picked it up from a dealer in Paris (near La Defense), parked it easily near Invalides, and loaded it outside our rented apartment early on Sat morning. We had stayed in Paris for five nights, then drove all over Europe with it. It was a Peugeot Boxer nine-seater with enough room for all of us and our luggage! We out about 5000 km on it in the three weeks we had it...that would have cost a fortune from a rental! And my husband backed the thing into a tree and made some damage to the upper tail light and fender and they never said a word! We returned it to the airport the morning we left and it took less time than if we had a rental car renturn! I could not recommend it highly enough!





We arranged it through Idea Merge, but when all is said and done you end up doing it through Sodexa in Paris....IdeaMerge is just the broker I think. In any event, it worked flawlessly! And the size of the car was not really an issue. Only a few times were we unable to park that beast in a car park, and then there was always an option to park outside somewhere. The height of the vehicle is listed on the windshield so you can always see it when you are pulling into a carpark.





Just to let you know, we drove that thing from Paris to Lugano, Switzerland, then to Venice, Italy and down to Positano on the Amalfi coast. We drive through a tiny area of Naples/Sorrento, Lucerne with its tiny streets and the windy roads to Positano opposite every tour bus on the planet! It was not always easy, but I would never say we regretted getting that size van.





And when I say we, I mean my husband! I never got behind the wheel...not because I couldn%26#39;t, just because my husband is better at driving stick shift!





Let me know if you need more info.




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I have used the Peugeot Buy-back program 4 times now, and think it%26#39;s the best deal going if you are renting for three weeks or more. The pick-up point is no longer at the TGV station, but is at a Shell station on the ring road outside Avignon. They come to the TGV and pick you up, then return you to the TGV at the end. They also let us park free in their station lot when we went to visit Avignon. AND, I returned the car with a broken windshield, that happened on the way back to return the car. Not a problem. Putting a Hertz or other rental car insurance on your credit card is opting for big problems if there is an accident. If you want to know more about that, I can fill you in.

ANOTHER question about tix to the Opera

I know info about the Opera just posted on Oct 2, but I wanted to post again so my question wouldn%26#39;t get lost in the excitement about the soccer games!



I went online to the Opera website to purchase tickets for Nov 8 and it replied there were no tickets on sale %26quot;aujourd%26#39;hui%26quot; . Does that mean they sell a certain number of tickets a day?



I found some on a ticket sales site, for $12 euros more per seat for their fee, that%26#39;s why I%26#39;m asking if anyone knows?




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Tickets are not necessarily on sale every day. You have to visit repeatedly. It%26#39;s probably worth your peace of mind to pay the extra fee and get them through a broker.




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Hi,



After trying to navigate the Opera site and wanting to know more specifically about seats available, I bit the bullet and simply called the Opera Garnier box office...Yes, I know, long distance, BUT it did not take too long and was definitely cheaper than a $12.00 per ticket surcharge. The tickets were great. These were for the Ballet, and I wanted a private box not too close to the stage so that we weren%26#39;t constantly craning our necks to the left :-)





The tickets arrived to my home within the week. Very fast. So, calling directly is definitely another option, just take into account the time difference. Hope this helps.





Annie B




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Melelina55, did you talk to them in English or French?




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Sorry, my last question was to Annie B regarding her call to Opera Garnier ...




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Hi,


I used very poor french to say, %26quot;excuse me, I don%26#39;t speak French very well, do you speak English?%26quot; :-) and though the woman claimed her English wasn%26#39;t very good, the transaction went very smoothly and she was so very helpful...and as previously stated, the tickets came quickly and the seats were fine. I puchased medium priced seats (couldn%26#39;t afford the posh ones!). We were in one of those plush velvet side boxes with a private door and coat hooks and a mirror...my 12 yo daughter was absolutely enthralled!



BTW I plan on purchasing opera tix for the Garnier, for our trip this Feb. I think Don Giavanni is there during that time. I will be calling soon. My husband sure hates seeing those long distance calls :-)



Have a great trip.


Annie b

ice skating at Hotel De Ville

Hi,


My daughter and I loved ice skating last winter at the Hotel De Ville ice rink. I was wondering if anyone knows whether this will be set up again. I was concerned that the rink was directly related to Paris%26#39; bid for the Olympics and was afraid that the city might not offer the ice skating this year. Does anyone know if the skating is on for this winter? Specifically, mid-February.



Many thanks,


Annie B




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Last year the rink was open, as it is every winter,December 9 through February 27, so it is a good bet that you will still find it in operation in mid-February. It isn%26#39;t just a one time thing. There are usually one or two others as well. Last year Montparnasse had one.



Linda




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lpennin,



Will there be a patinoire at la Tour Eiffel this year?




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Thank you so much for the info. I had better start polishing my skates :-D





Annie b

Bike Tours?

Anyone ever taken a bike tour through Paris? Is it possible to simply rent a bike for a morning or afternoon? Would it be too cold in early March??




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We didn%26#39;t take a bike tour but looked into them prior to arriving in Paris. A web site for one company that offers bike tours is FatTireBikeToursParis.com. Unfortunately I can%26#39;t tell you if they are good or not, but it might be worthwhile to check thier website. We decided at the last minute to see sites on our own. The one place we would definitely do a bike tour when we go back some day is Versaille.




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My wife and I took the night time fat tire tour and loved it. It was probably our favorite part of our time in Paris. If I wanted to see all the big sites in one shot I would definately do the day tour. I think in the off season they have a limited number of daily tours. I don%26#39;t know about March weather, but they do have lots of information on their website.




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Woops forgot one thing, yes you can rent a bike for a day also and do it yourself. They supply helmets and locks with the rental.




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The city is adding bike lanes but.... traffic is a bear anyway... be careful where you choose to ride..





Bike rentals:



http://www.rouelibre.fr/anglais/index.php



http://www.parisvelosympa.com/



www.paris-velo-rent-a-bike.fr/index-gb.htm



www.fattirebiketoursparis.com/

How is the coffee in France/Paris?

I always like to order the form of %26quot;coffee%26quot; preferred by the locals. For example, I drank espresso throughout Italy. How do the French drink their coffee? Latte%26#39;s, espresso%26#39;s, American style, etc...




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For breakfast its %26quot;Cafe Creme%26quot; or %26quot;Cafe au lait%26quot; which is an espresso with steamed milk. Later in the day its %26quot;un cafe%26quot; or %26quot;un espress%26#39; %26quot; which both stand for an espresso. If you want more you can go for a %26quot;double espress%26#39; %26quot;. There is also a %26quot;Cafe americain%26quot; which is an espresso with hot water added. Thats less common to order.




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Most French people drink café exprès (espresso), except for breakfast when they drink café au lait (half coffee / half milk) out of a large bowl.




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be prepared! after a cafe creme you will forever be spoiled for coffee in america. it will never be good enough or just right no matter how you try. I don%26#39;t know if it%26#39;s the water in France, the machines, the coffee brands or how they%26#39;re processed... but you will forever yearn for it. good luck.




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It%26#39;s the best coffee I%26#39;ve ever had.





Un grand creme....ahhhhh....





Les




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%26quot;Ordering Coffee in France%26quot;





http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A883497




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Hm ... how taste can be different ...



I%26#39;m not especially keen on drinking coffee in France. The roast is so different from what we get here in Belgium. Even with lotsa milk it%26#39;s too bitter for my taste.



I%26#39;ll have a glass of wine instead. ;)




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Thanks to everyone for the expert advice.




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im with just grace....the coffee there is wonderful. the closest thing i find here (and it isn%26#39;t the same, but great on it%26#39;s own regard) is Cafe Du Mond from NOLA...i stock up on that stuff.




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Coffee in Paris is the best and it is always hard for me to go back and have coffee in the States.



Un café really means an expresso.



un café allongé (ou Americain) means an expresso with extra hot water.



un cappuccino means a cappuccino.



un creme means a coffee with foamed milk. Sometimes you have a choice between un creme and un grand creme which means a bigger cup.



A big cup in Paris does not compare to a big cup in the States. It is not a bucket.



Some cafes (like la coupole) serve their cafe creme with hot milk in a small side container. I perso do not like that as a creme should have the steamed milk in it.



Important info: they call it cafe creme but it is not creme that they use, it is often low fat milk.




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How do you pronounce %26quot;creme%26quot; in French? Is it krem? And if I insist on having my artificial sweetner (Splenda/Equal) shall I assume I need to bring it with me in a little ziplock?